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    I attempted to hijack another thread with this topic, but no one took the bait. I apparently need to continue developing my hijack-fu, before I enter the ranks of expert WAMPer-jacks.

    Anyhoo, here's what I said: John Carter of Mars is the best cinema eye-candy since Avatar, and a better story to boot, which says a lot when a mindless pulp adventure/romance delivers a more satisfying story than a pseudo-serious modern tale of enviro-genocidal corporate imperialism. It definitely did justice to the combined Victorian/pulp-era/Frazetta-style imagery I had in my mind. Very rich production and attention to detail. The green giants were the best-depicted I've seen from any previous source! Very believable anatomy. I loved the tusk design. The flyer battles and chase scenes were phenomenal.

    I could continue gushing over the movie, but I'll save room for other people. So my one nit is this (and I'm ready to blame Hollywood, not the creative talent behind this movie): is there any sword-fighting style in history that places the blade over the opposite forearm? I cringe when I see that. It's like firing a handgun sideways. It doesn't make you look like a bad-ass hero -- it makes you look incompetent, vulnerable, and silly-looking with your weapon.
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    haven't seen the movie yet.

    on the sword-fighting, the only logical reason i could possibly think of would be if you're very tight on space. at first thought, one might think you'd have more power (since your shoulder muscles are more involved), but you'd be removing the much more effective "momentum power" that swinging a blade would have.

    i always chuckle at the sideways-pistol gangsta wanna-bes... though, i guess you >could< use the kickback to help 'sweep' a target range using that... rather than kickback pushing your aim above the targets... but that only works if your zombies are all standing in a nice row across the street in front of you. hehe.
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    • #3
      To answer your question regarding the sword technique, yes, there is.

      But, for the main and most common use you use a sword and shield for that, and even at that the sword goes over your gauntlet hand, not forearm.

      A thrust will always result in more force in a single point than a slash will over a line, that's just physics.

      Also, using the forarm is used in sword styles which deflect blows rather than meet them. Many sabre-styles are like this, but the forarm is placed with the sword at various angles. Using that stance as a starting point is actually a good way to ensure you are ready for a mid-section or upper area of the body blow with this particular style of combat.

      Of course, redirecting a blow leaves your opponent extremely vulnerable to a quick slash or stab.

      Of coarse, not having seen this movie, I can still guess that he wasn't using a sabre, but a broadsword. Doesn't work so well with a heavy blade.
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      • #4
        Let's talk John Carter of Mars
        Mmmmmmm Mars, Mars bars, caramel & soft nougat covered in chocolate..... Love them!

        That's a thread hijack!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by shanerozzell View Post
          Mmmmmmm Mars, Mars bars, caramel & soft nougat covered in chocolate..... Love them!

          That's a thread hijack!
          But have you tried the triple choc Mars bars Shane? Have to admit I'm a Cadbury's man myself but Mars do make some nice products - well, actually I'm a fan of most chocolate companies
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          • #6
            You seen the size of me Waggers??? I tried to convince the doctor I needed chocolate for medical reasons but he'd never heard of choco-botics before

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            • #7
              Of course holding his sword across his arm might actually be to wipe the chocolate off after he's just sliced his favourite bar.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by shanerozzell View Post
                Mmmmmmm Mars, Mars bars, caramel & soft nougat covered in chocolate..... Love them!

                That's a thread hijack!
                No sir. That is what we call a MILKY WAY...

                Anyhow, I've yet to see John Carter, but I've been listening to the audiobooks (which are free on the 'web) and they are really fun.
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                • #9
                  I bow to the masters of threadjack-fu treachery.

                  Speaking of kung-fu treachery, everyone needs to be aware that they just made a pilot for a Black Dynamite cartoon, for Adult Swim, I think. It is a must-see. Unless you haven't seen Black Dynamite yet. In which case, go immediately to Netflix and get hip.


                  @Spectral Dragon, thanks for the insights. Sounds like you know your stuff. The hero in this case was the heroine, as it turns out. She did not use a shield, and the sword resembled a saber, but it had so many curves and cut-outs, it was kind of hard to tell. Yeah, as far as I could tell, the stance was totally impractical. No leverage, no response speed, no balance. Pure showmanship. Hey, I'm all for turning off the brain and letting a fictional epic cinema sweep over me, but that moment just totally jerked me out of my suspension of disbelief.

                  Don't let that moment spoil the movie for you, though, folks. Everything else was exactly what I hoped John Carter of Mars would be.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shades View Post
                    I bow to the masters of threadjack-fu treachery.

                    Speaking of kung-fu treachery, everyone needs to be aware that they just made a pilot for a Black Dynamite cartoon, for Adult Swim, I think. It is a must-see. Unless you haven't seen Black Dynamite yet. In which case, go immediately to Netflix and get hip.


                    @Spectral Dragon, thanks for the insights. Sounds like you know your stuff. The hero in this case was the heroine, as it turns out. She did not use a shield, and the sword resembled a saber, but it had so many curves and cut-outs, it was kind of hard to tell. Yeah, as far as I could tell, the stance was totally impractical. No leverage, no response speed, no balance. Pure showmanship. Hey, I'm all for turning off the brain and letting a fictional epic cinema sweep over me, but that moment just totally jerked me out of my suspension of disbelief.

                    Don't let that moment spoil the movie for you, though, folks. Everything else was exactly what I hoped John Carter of Mars would be.
                    Sounds like a fancy shiv (terminology for weapons isn't my thing, just practical technique so I could be wrong) to me, if it's fairly long the stance makes sense. Will comment again when I see the movie.
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                    • #11
                      I saw the movie this past weekend. I will agree it was a fun movie, and worth a watch....but I'm satisfied at that. I won't need to see it again for a long time.

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                      • #12
                        And yet it's on track to be a colossal flop at the box office. How can that be? I've yet to hear a really bad word about the film, I certainly want to see it. Probably something to do with the enormous expense of making the thing. Still, I'm pretty sure Disney may just make the odd sheckel from merchandising so they might not be too worried about the box office.
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                        • #13
                          I saw this movie and liked it. worth to see. I think why this and movie like Tron Legacy do so bad is because it has the Walt Disney name attached to it. Movie critics gave Tron 2 1/2 stars? All sci-fi Disney movies don't rate/do well in the theaters. Must be some inside story to this?


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                          • #14
                            Didn't Disney use to release movies like this under the Touchstone label to stop people associating them with the kids' cartoons?

                            If that well known English film critic and pretentious [eupemism for a lady's front bottom, erroneously believed to mean a pregnant fish] Mark Kermode doesn't like it, that's a good enough recommendation for my money.
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                            • #15
                              Re the sword, I've studied several sword styles from differing periods of history, which include rapier, 1.33 medieval single sword, sabre, cutlass and none use to forearm to block blows, as most swords would slice right through the arm.
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