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Mama's Painting Madness

With a Heavy Heart...

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I'm taking a long hiatus from painting. I'm just extremely discouraged and really just am at a point where I don't know if I should bother anymore. I truly don't think I'm very good to begin with, but it's just been proven over and over again (especially these past couple of weeks) and I don't think I can get any better than where I am at right now, and that is sub par.

So I will be taking a long break from really posting anything. I'll still be around the boards complimenting how amazing all the miniatures I see here and on Reaper truly look. I envy the skill! You all are truly amazing...

I am just in a very big rut and am seriously questioning if I should bother continuing this hobby. What does one do in this situation? What do you do when someone takes all of the fun out of something you've loved doing for the past 11 years? Basically I'm throwing in the towel with that said individual. She's truly sucked the fun out of this for me

What do you all do when this happens? Surely this hasn't just happened to me, right? Thanks!!
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  1. Iacton's Avatar
    I assume that you have been, or feel that you have been effectively trolled by someone in the community with regards to your painting prowess, PM?
    If that is "all" it is, then the best thing that you can do is disregard any and all things that they do. It's not as easy as it sounds, but is pretty effective.
    I've been through a few periods where I've felt seriously discouraged with it all, but then I've questioned myself as to what I was putting in and what I wanted to get back out of the hobby. I decided that I had my priorities wrong. I was painting the wrong models for me, I wasn't enjoying that aspect, and I was letting people tell me how to paint, and not necessarily in a helpful way.
    I took a few weeks off until I got the itch really bad to get back in the saddle and then decided not to look back.

    I spend a lot more time tinkering with models and a lot less time internalising about my shortcomings. I know that there are areas which I am strong at and others that need a lot of work, so I do what I do well and keep plugging away at the other bits in between.
    I refuse to be intimidated any more by the quality of sculpts or amazing paint jobs done by others, and if others don't like what I've done with a piece that I have enjoyed, well, I don't care. I'm not prepared to let that diminish my enjoyment. I'll take critique on the chin from anyone who offers it - otherwise I wouldn't put pictures of what I paint up on the web - but duck the trolls, and care less about scores, wins and such.
    Other than that I can only quote a certain Mr Jarhead and say "Keep on happy painting"
  2. Darklord's Avatar
    Unless painting for a living (and even then to some extent) you should paint what makes you happy. painting is a hobby, its something you choose to do with your spare time because you enjoy it. If your not enjoying it then you need to look at why.

    Is your lethargy down to this one person or is it a combination of things? Everyone gets into painting ruts, I have had several, heck I even had a big rut with Wamp too recently mainly due to an individual too, but I carried on and I am chomping at the bit to get painting again (unfortunately cant while homeless!).

    Have a break from painting for a week or two and recharge your batteries, keep up to date with what's going on though. Have a look through your mini pile or an on-line store for something you fancy painting. Doesn't matter what it is just something small and easy would suit. Paint it up but don't even worry about posting it publicly, just paint it for you and your sheer enjoyment. No need to worry if its good enough or if others will approve, its about the process.

    It's so easy these days to get caught up in the contest for approval or accolades. The internet has pushed our hobby on so much but it also takes away from it. It can be easy to forget we paint for fun rather than to gain the approval of our peers.

    I like you and I like your painting and the hobby would be poorer for not having you in it.

    Go find that mini, heck I can even send you something if needs be.

    Happy Painting
  3. waghorn41's Avatar
    Whoa! hang on there mama. If I stopped because I felt I wasn't as good as everybody else I would have quit before I started. Take a break and gather your breath. Remember it IS a hobby for you to enjoy - yes, you not necessarily others. That said I enjoy your work and I'm sure many others do too, don't let one person get in the way of your 'me' time. Good grief young lady I'll never be as good as you - or anybody else on Wamp for that matter - but that doesn't stop me painting. Step back for a week or two, take a deep breath and find a mini you want to paint for the sheer enjoyment and fun of painting. Grampa wag has spoken.
  4. Undave's Avatar
    I was in a similar situation once with somebody who was spoiling the entire hobby for me. Thankfully nobody else could stand the guy either and after massively and publicly insulting him I felt much better

    If that's not an option I suggest the following for a bit of feel good factor and confidence boosting:

    Think of somebody who's been good to you but who isn't in any way into painting or anything similar. Find a model that might mean something to that person, a bust of their favourite film character, a soldier if they've been one themselves or had a relative in the military, a mini that looks a bit like them, that sort of thing. It could even be one of those cheap resin cat or dog ornaments you get in tat shops as long as it has enough detail that you can re-spray it.

    Paint it up just for them. Don't put photos of it on the internet, don't even tell anyone what you're doing. That way nobody will have a chance to discourage you. Hopefully, when you give it to whoever you've chosen, they'll really appreciate it and because they don't really know all that much about painting, even if you don't think it's all that technically brilliant, they will think it's the best thing they've ever seen and go on and on about asking you how you managed to get all the details etc.

    It makes them feel good because you care and it makes you feel good because you've made them happy and stokes your ego at the same time.
  5. NeatPete's Avatar
    Undave is genious! Great advice that.
  6. Darklord's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by NeatPete
    Undave is genious! Great advice that.
    Hey! I suggested it first. Mumble,mumble,mumble........
  7. Undave's Avatar
    Yeah, I wasn't wearing my tinfoil hat so DL's thought rays managed to get in.

    That idea isn't really about getting cheap praise from somebody who doesn't know better which is one way you could look at it. It's more about reminding yourself that you and your peers in the hobby will tend to look at your work with a more critical eye because you know more about the process of creating it. Someone unversed in the skills and techniques will look at it with fresh eyes and see the effort that went into it rather than picking out the flaws.
  8. Darklord's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Undave
    Yeah, I wasn't wearing my tinfoil hat so DL's thought rays managed to get in.

    That idea isn't really about getting cheap praise from somebody who doesn't know better which is one way you could look at it. It's more about reminding yourself that you and your peers in the hobby will tend to look at your work with a more critical eye because you know more about the process of creating it. Someone unversed in the skills and techniques will look at it with fresh eyes and see the effort that went into it rather than picking out the flaws.

    Exactly mate, wise words
  9. Mako's Avatar
    I know how you feel - for a while I was very put off the whole hobby by one person's attitude, and feeling like I was fairly rubbish, and I did in fact walk away from it in some ways. In the end, taking some time off will probably tell you whether you've lost interest in painting, or just in the other stuff that can go along with it.

    I suggest putting it all down for now, and coming back if and when you feel you want to. And like the others have said, stuff what others say, paint what you want, why you want, when you want, how you want and don't worry about what anyone else is doing or saying.

    Also, you're not rubbish, even if you're worried you are (that's just the drive to improve talking, and that thing is never happy). Just to throw that in there!
  10. piratemama's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Iacton
    I assume that you have been, or feel that you have been effectively trolled by someone in the community with regards to your painting prowess, PM?
    If that is "all" it is, then the best thing that you can do is disregard any and all things that they do. It's not as easy as it sounds, but is pretty effective.
    I've been through a few periods where I've felt seriously discouraged with it all, but then I've questioned myself as to what I was putting in and what I wanted to get back out of the hobby. I decided that I had my priorities wrong. I was painting the wrong models for me, I wasn't enjoying that aspect, and I was letting people tell me how to paint, and not necessarily in a helpful way.
    I took a few weeks off until I got the itch really bad to get back in the saddle and then decided not to look back.

    I spend a lot more time tinkering with models and a lot less time internalising about my shortcomings. I know that there are areas which I am strong at and others that need a lot of work, so I do what I do well and keep plugging away at the other bits in between.
    I refuse to be intimidated any more by the quality of sculpts or amazing paint jobs done by others, and if others don't like what I've done with a piece that I have enjoyed, well, I don't care. I'm not prepared to let that diminish my enjoyment. I'll take critique on the chin from anyone who offers it - otherwise I wouldn't put pictures of what I paint up on the web - but duck the trolls, and care less about scores, wins and such.
    Other than that I can only quote a certain Mr Jarhead and say "Keep on happy painting"
    Yeah... she's been doing her best to upstage me since day one . It's just hard because she was one who claimed to be a friend and I have been told by many others that they had never seen someone do that to their own friend... but I just shrugged it off. Lately, though, it's just really worn me down and I just hadn't any idea what to do.

    I appreciate your kind words so much! I think I'm going to take your advice and just do it for the mere enjoyment. I find it quite cathartic. I'm taking a wee break, though.. but I'm already getting an itch to paint again. So.. who knows. Thank you, again, so much for caring :) I really didn't think I had many "painting friends" out there.
  11. piratemama's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Darklord
    Unless painting for a living (and even then to some extent) you should paint what makes you happy. painting is a hobby, its something you choose to do with your spare time because you enjoy it. If your not enjoying it then you need to look at why.

    Is your lethargy down to this one person or is it a combination of things? Everyone gets into painting ruts, I have had several, heck I even had a big rut with Wamp too recently mainly due to an individual too, but I carried on and I am chomping at the bit to get painting again (unfortunately cant while homeless!).

    Have a break from painting for a week or two and recharge your batteries, keep up to date with what's going on though. Have a look through your mini pile or an on-line store for something you fancy painting. Doesn't matter what it is just something small and easy would suit. Paint it up but don't even worry about posting it publicly, just paint it for you and your sheer enjoyment. No need to worry if its good enough or if others will approve, its about the process.

    It's so easy these days to get caught up in the contest for approval or accolades. The internet has pushed our hobby on so much but it also takes away from it. It can be easy to forget we paint for fun rather than to gain the approval of our peers.

    I like you and I like your painting and the hobby would be poorer for not having you in it.

    Go find that mini, heck I can even send you something if needs be.

    Happy Painting
    Brett, you seriously brought tears to my eyes. Thank you so much for caring. Yeah, it's predominately down to this specific person that I have had to "compete" with for the past 7ish years. Usually I can just shrug it off and ignore it, but these past few weeks have really worn me down.

    I will be taking a few weeks off, if anything, to heal my eyes because I was painting so much I strained them a good bit. I need to get that urge to paint for fun, again, and not concern myself with all the other stuff. I have gone online and purchased a few miniatures that I plan on painting; 2 for my children (1 painted as Iron Man and the other Ariel from the Little Mermaid). I plan on doing little dioramas for both as surprises for my children, who are a few of my biggest supporters.

    I like you, too! To hear that from an amazing painter really warms my heart :) I always love looking at your work! The hubby and I have a goal to head out to the UK sometime, so maybe we can meet! Not for a while, though (lol... we're waiting until the kids are much older!)

    I hope that things for you and yours also line up and that you can get back into the painting saddle again soon. You all have been in my thoughts and prayers!
  12. piratemama's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by waghorn41
    Whoa! hang on there mama. If I stopped because I felt I wasn't as good as everybody else I would have quit before I started. Take a break and gather your breath. Remember it IS a hobby for you to enjoy - yes, you not necessarily others. That said I enjoy your work and I'm sure many others do too, don't let one person get in the way of your 'me' time. Good grief young lady I'll never be as good as you - or anybody else on Wamp for that matter - but that doesn't stop me painting. Step back for a week or two, take a deep breath and find a mini you want to paint for the sheer enjoyment and fun of painting. Grampa wag has spoken.
    Wag, I love your painting! LOL Never underestimate your own painting :) I always enjoy it... heck, I'm even in your fanclub

    I do appreciate your kind words, though, and they have really warmed my heart. You are absolutely right, this is my very own hobby and I have my own style and really shouldn't compare myself to others. I don't want to disappoint you, either, so I guess it'll just be a small break ;)
  13. piratemama's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Undave
    I was in a similar situation once with somebody who was spoiling the entire hobby for me. Thankfully nobody else could stand the guy either and after massively and publicly insulting him I felt much better

    If that's not an option I suggest the following for a bit of feel good factor and confidence boosting:

    Think of somebody who's been good to you but who isn't in any way into painting or anything similar. Find a model that might mean something to that person, a bust of their favourite film character, a soldier if they've been one themselves or had a relative in the military, a mini that looks a bit like them, that sort of thing. It could even be one of those cheap resin cat or dog ornaments you get in tat shops as long as it has enough detail that you can re-spray it.

    Paint it up just for them. Don't put photos of it on the internet, don't even tell anyone what you're doing. That way nobody will have a chance to discourage you. Hopefully, when you give it to whoever you've chosen, they'll really appreciate it and because they don't really know all that much about painting, even if you don't think it's all that technically brilliant, they will think it's the best thing they've ever seen and go on and on about asking you how you managed to get all the details etc.

    It makes them feel good because you care and it makes you feel good because you've made them happy and stokes your ego at the same time.
    I couldn't do that to anyone, lol, but I bet it would feel good. I write in my journal (book form... nothing online), and find it very cathartic when I need to get stuff out. Good idea, though, lol

    I really like your idea. My only issue is that it would be hard to paint something for the hubby since he lives with me ;) LOL although I could be sneaky and do it during my daughter's naptime, while he's at work! I love your idea and I love painting miniatures for friends and family and just giving them to those people. I like making them happy. Last year I would paint a random figure and send it to a random friend who didn't know it was coming! I loved surprising them :) I think I may take that up again! Right now, though, I'll take a break for a bit.
  14. piratemama's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mako
    I know how you feel - for a while I was very put off the whole hobby by one person's attitude, and feeling like I was fairly rubbish, and I did in fact walk away from it in some ways. In the end, taking some time off will probably tell you whether you've lost interest in painting, or just in the other stuff that can go along with it.

    I suggest putting it all down for now, and coming back if and when you feel you want to. And like the others have said, stuff what others say, paint what you want, why you want, when you want, how you want and don't worry about what anyone else is doing or saying.

    Also, you're not rubbish, even if you're worried you are (that's just the drive to improve talking, and that thing is never happy). Just to throw that in there!
    Thanks, Mako! I will definitely be taking a break and thinking about all that is going on. I honestly don't want to quit... I just think that I need some time away from the brushes and allow myself to rejuvenate so I can get back to painting. I'm not sure if I will compete again as there have been some very fishy things going on.. but we'll see.
  15. Darklord's Avatar
    your plan sounds good and I am glad your taking heart in what we are all saying.


    Always up for meeting fellow Wampers. Appreciate the compliment too!
  16. Normski's Avatar
    Sorry I have come into this a bit late!

    Mama your work is perfectly fine I love the thought you put into your pieces and you execute them just fine! without echoing what the guys have said already! Who cares what someone else thinks? your hobby do it your way! also if you think personally your skills need pushing why not practice a different technique? Ive recently started using some really thin diluted paints to build up layers and I think it has renewed my interest in painting to a level that I want to get it to a good standard.

    Maybe after your break ya can do the same? I painted a bust for the first time, its not perfect and I know its not comp level but with practice I might get there but if i dont hey ho never mind, and if anyone has a dig at me for it then I will tell them to beat it and cut ties with them, Criticism is helpful but when its done maliciously then that person doesnt matter! chalk it down to jealousy on their part and ignore them.

    You paint coz you love it we all do! we may fall out with it sometimes but we all end up with a brush in our hands eventually, Take ya break love and see how ya feel! and im sure all the peeps on wamp look forward to seeing your stuff in the gallery again soon

    people who hate have hollow lives, people who love have happy lives

    Love it and be happy Mama
  17. piratemama's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Normski
    Sorry I have come into this a bit late!

    Mama your work is perfectly fine I love the thought you put into your pieces and you execute them just fine! without echoing what the guys have said already! Who cares what someone else thinks? your hobby do it your way! also if you think personally your skills need pushing why not practice a different technique? Ive recently started using some really thin diluted paints to build up layers and I think it has renewed my interest in painting to a level that I want to get it to a good standard.

    Maybe after your break ya can do the same? I painted a bust for the first time, its not perfect and I know its not comp level but with practice I might get there but if i dont hey ho never mind, and if anyone has a dig at me for it then I will tell them to beat it and cut ties with them, Criticism is helpful but when its done maliciously then that person doesnt matter! chalk it down to jealousy on their part and ignore them.

    You paint coz you love it we all do! we may fall out with it sometimes but we all end up with a brush in our hands eventually, Take ya break love and see how ya feel! and im sure all the peeps on wamp look forward to seeing your stuff in the gallery again soon

    people who hate have hollow lives, people who love have happy lives

    Love it and be happy Mama
    Aww, thank you, Normski. I really appreciate that. I've gotten a few new ideas to try once I pick up the brushes again.... so hopefully that'll help me find a re-newed love of it :D I still enjoy it... I just need a bit of a break. I don't post much up on the gallery... but maybe after my break I might be more confident and you might see more from me :)
  18. phatkid1966's Avatar
    Also late to the party but here to offer my support nonetheless. I don't need to know the details about the friend you feel has let you down but is there any way you can heal the rift? Does she have a different perspective on things or did she feel like she was helping. I know this may not be what you want to hear right now but if you were good friends then I hope you can recover that.

    I truly am sorry this has weighed heavy on you at the moment. I have someone who logs onto my gallery profile under several names, awards me a 2 and never post or logs on again. It makes me laugh.They are wasting thier time, not mine. I genuinly don't care if im a 6.7 or a 5.9 because I knew when i started I was never going to be a Ben Komets etc so I choose not to acknowledge them.
    You really only need to listen to the Vargz, Normskis and Wag type people when you feel down. They are the people that will remind you constantly that it doesn't matter who crits your work there are people on Wamp who really appreciate and enjoy it.

    I know many people keep some of the first miniatures they paint, it serves as a great reminder of how far they have progressed. I tend to measure myself against before I joined Wamp and now. I may not be winning Crystal brushes or slayer swords but I have learned so much that it would be impossible for anyone not to improve (Jkn aside). I have always enjoyed your work and never compared it to anyone elses work!

    When I had my painting raincloud I just switched to trying my hand at bases. It proved a healthy break. I think that while continued painting is the best way to improve its far healthier to break once in a while if it gives you back the joy. Happy painting is better painting (Direct scientific study conducted by WIDGET!

    Bottom line is its okay to take a break but you would be missed from this community so please come back. And don't ever think you shouldn't aspire to be the best if thats what you want to be. Just try to make it about YOUR journey and if you become the best thats brilliant and if you don't quite make it then like most of us you get to say so what! That was hell of a fantastic Ride!
  19. piratemama's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by phatkid1966
    Also late to the party but here to offer my support nonetheless. I don't need to know the details about the friend you feel has let you down but is there any way you can heal the rift? Does she have a different perspective on things or did she feel like she was helping. I know this may not be what you want to hear right now but if you were good friends then I hope you can recover that.

    I truly am sorry this has weighed heavy on you at the moment. I have someone who logs onto my gallery profile under several names, awards me a 2 and never post or logs on again. It makes me laugh.They are wasting thier time, not mine. I genuinly don't care if im a 6.7 or a 5.9 because I knew when i started I was never going to be a Ben Komets etc so I choose not to acknowledge them.
    You really only need to listen to the Vargz, Normskis and Wag type people when you feel down. They are the people that will remind you constantly that it doesn't matter who crits your work there are people on Wamp who really appreciate and enjoy it.

    I know many people keep some of the first miniatures they paint, it serves as a great reminder of how far they have progressed. I tend to measure myself against before I joined Wamp and now. I may not be winning Crystal brushes or slayer swords but I have learned so much that it would be impossible for anyone not to improve (Jkn aside). I have always enjoyed your work and never compared it to anyone elses work!

    When I had my painting raincloud I just switched to trying my hand at bases. It proved a healthy break. I think that while continued painting is the best way to improve its far healthier to break once in a while if it gives you back the joy. Happy painting is better painting (Direct scientific study conducted by WIDGET!

    Bottom line is its okay to take a break but you would be missed from this community so please come back. And don't ever think you shouldn't aspire to be the best if thats what you want to be. Just try to make it about YOUR journey and if you become the best thats brilliant and if you don't quite make it then like most of us you get to say so what! That was hell of a fantastic Ride!
    I can't really say we've ever been close, to be honest. I've tried, many times, but she has always had a "Quienes Mas Macho" approach with me that I never reciprocated. I'm not sure if it's an "alpha female" sort of thing, but it doesn't matter what it is... there always seems to be a competition of sorts. I'd always wanted to be good friends, but I never seemed (nor do I still seem) good enough :-/ so I'm just not worried about it anymore.

    I won't be leaving for good and am enjoying the rest for the time being. I am getting the itch really badly to start painting again and have some ideas that I hope to start with :) So no worries on me leaving. Each day gets better... so hopefully this rut will be over in the coming weeks :)

    Thank you so much for caring and your kind words and advice. I truly appreciate it!
  20. Normski's Avatar
    Your one of US Mama! thats the WAMP spirit! and this is why I dont belong to any other Painting forum!! look forward to seeing your new ideas come to life Mama
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