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Havoc7926

Scientific reduction in Grey Horde - The appliance of Science.

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I think I may be a little more than slightly mad so I've come up with a mathematical formula to help me keep track of and reduce my grey horde. It's based loosly on those diets that are supposed to help you loose weight by counting calories.

It doesn't matter the size of your grey horde, what you are tracking is the progress you are making in reducing it. Assembling and Painting your mini's earns you points whilst buying more cost them. All you do is calculate your points as you do things and keep a running total. You can set the penalty applied to buying more stuff depending on how determined you are to reduce your grey horde and get those little men into action on the table top. You are also given bonuses for passing gaming related milestones and focusing on a single army out of all those sreaming for your attention.

This is designed for gamers to get their figures into play rather than painters so it assumes nothing more than table top standard work.

So, here it is with some examples afterwards to help clarify.

Havoc's Grey Horde Reduction Plan.

The following formula assumes 28mm figures painted to tabletop standard.

Definition
X1 Infantry Single foot figure.
X2 Cavalry Single mounted figure that would class as infantry if not mounted.
X2 Monster Single figure on a large base such as a Troll, Ogre, Dread.
X4 Machine Any war machine with crew, chariot, tank, Large figure on a large base Eg. Giant or Dragon.
X7 Legend Anything larger than a machine or with a large number of crew or particularly complicated to paint or assemble . Eg. Murmak, Scrap Launcher.

Modifiers
X* Purchasing; set by user (* around -4 to remain neutral, the larger ve the better for making progress into that unpainted mountain)
X1 Assembly (sticking it together and removing mould lines etc)
X2 Painting (finishing the figure to TT standard)

Bonus (Rules system specific bonuses applied once they are triggered)
WHFB/WAB
+10 Per min size unit completed
+5 Per extra rank added to existing unit
+25 Per 500 points completed
WH40K
+10 Per min size squad completed
+25 Per 500 points completed
WotR
+5 Per company
+25 Per 250 points completed
DBA/DBM
+5 Per stand completed
+20 Per 6 stands completed

Army of choice within a rules system Changeable once per calendar month.
This gives a 20% modifier to your points if the figure belongs to your army of choice. Either an increase for +ve points or a decrease in ve points

Basic calculation = ((Number x (1 X Definition X Modifier)) + Bonus ) +/- Army of choice

Examples:

In these examples Ive used a -10 purchasing modifier (Im trying to reduce my grey horde)
My WHFB army of choice is Ogre Kindoms
My WH40K army of choice is Eldar

Buying 6 Ogres for my WHFB army of choice.
(6 x (1 x 2 x -10) + 0 ) 20% = 96 points in total!

Painting the last Elder guardian that completes a squad
(1 x (1 x 1 x 2) + 10 ) + 20% = 13.2 points total.

Painting a Skaven clan rat that neither finished a unit, added a rank or is even part of my WHFB army of choice
(1 x (1 x 1 x 2) + 0) + 0% = 2 points.

Buying 20 skaven clan rats.
(20 x (1 x 1 x -10) + 0% = -200 points.
Assembling 20 Skaven clan rats
(20 x (1 x 1 x 1) + 0) + 0% = 20 points.
Painting them and also pushing my painted total of skaven past the 1000 point mark.
(20 x (1 x 1 x 2) + 45) + 0% = 85 points.
From this you can see that even assembly and painting of a new purchase leaves a huge points deficit.


WARNING: The designer of this system accepts no liability for any harmful side effect caused by using it. He accepts no responsibility for the fact that it probably doesn't work and actually makes no sense what so ever.

Another classic product from "Bored out of my tiny mind at work" productions.
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  1. GreyHorde's Avatar
    Hmm, what? You called? I mean, really...I realize I need to lose weight and take a chunk out of my unpainted lead mountain, but to be called out on a forum like this...

    Just kidding. Interesting plan you have, here. I see the similarities and understand what you're driving at. Seems a little complex, but that may just be my lack of sleep talking. I don't play any of the games listed and my Horde is mostly set up for Reaper's Warlord (fantasy) game, so I'll have to look into the point multipliers for grunts vs. leaders, monsters, units ('troops'). A lot of my minis are for RPGs or display/competition, too, so that puts another wrinkle in it for me. Still, you're off a to a good start. Keep posting and let's see the system works as designed and has the intended effect.
  2. Havoc7926's Avatar


    I never expected anyone to take it seriously!

    Actually this is a simplified version of what I started with as that had further multipliers for figure scale! I've just noticed I've left a 1x multiplier in the formula that isn't needed. This is slightly simpler.

    Basic calculation = ((Number x (Definition X Modifier)) + Bonus ) +/- Army of choice

    I'm sure all the weightings and bonuses are probably off as well. Still, if anyone would like to give me a couple of years and a nice big research grant I can perfect it a bit more.

  3. exilesjjb's Avatar
    I think some one had a little too much time on his hands, maybe he should have been painting :). This blog is shaping up well keep it up. I will stick to looseinf weight and leave my greyhorde alone :)
  4. Dysartes's Avatar
    Hmm - now to adapt this for Warmachine and Hordes.....
  5. David's Avatar
    You forgot to include a modifier for selling new unused miniatures on eBay at a loss. Something I'm infinitely familiar with
  6. GreyHorde's Avatar
    I'm not taking it too seriously. However, for (1) my handle, (2) eBay losses similar to those noted above while running my own Horde Reduction Protocols, (3) indulging my inner geek with spreadsheets, databases, min/maxing and number crunching in general...well...I had to at least read through it! Yes, I once built a miniatures DB for tracking inventory, preventing duplication and insurance purposes. Never finished populating it because of the scope of the project, plus the mountain was too dynamic to keep up with, but still...it was a fun exercise. Now, if I could just link it with your formulae so that any change in painted/unpainted state, purchase or sale, etc., updates a report...
  7. Havoc7926's Avatar
    @Exiles: Far too much time during boring meetings at work. I would love to have been painting instead.

    @Dysartes: Feel free to develop a 'plug-in' basic premis is that an infantryman is the base measurement and the larger or more time consuming the figure the more the multiplier. Add a bonus for finishing units or armies and your done.

    @David: Difficult one that as you are reducing your grey horde but not getting the best benefit. I'd give it a X1.5 modifier.

    @GreyHorde: OK, so we develop this and bung a HTML front end on it for Wampers to use.
    Updated 11-11-2010 at 05:47 PM by Havoc7926
  8. Captain Sprout's Avatar
    I use a simple method to cope with my mountain

    [code]
    <ignore>existing_mountain
    <buy>lead</buy>
    <add>lead</add>
    </ignore>
    [code]
    Updated 11-11-2010 at 06:40 PM by Captain Sprout
  9. Dysartes's Avatar
    So, I've spent a little time figuring out how to make this work for Warmachine & Hordes, with the following result:

    Definition
    x1 - 30mm base
    x3 - 40mm base
    x5 - 50mm base
    x? - 110mm base (not currently released, but due next year - multiplier to be reviewed once I've taken a look at them)

    Modifiers
    Warmachine/Hordes
    +3 for completing a weapon attachment or lesser warbeast
    +5 for completing a warcaster or warlock
    +5 for completing a light warjack or warbeast, or any solo, or a unit attachment
    +10 for minimum unit completed
    +10 for completing a heavy warjack/warbeast
    +15 for completing a unit with fixed unit size
    +20 for maximum unit completed
    +25 for every 20 points of a faction completed

    Notes
    - Ignore any warcaster's warjack points or warlock's warbeast points when assessing how much of a faction you've completed
    - For lesser warlocks, count them as a solo and their beast as a beast of the appropriate size (usually heavy). If a warlock comes with a beast, use the same principle
    - Darius' halfjacks count as solos, but the mine markers count as part of painting him

    Examples

    - Painting the Cygnar Squire which will take me to 61 points completed, where Cygnar is my WM faction o' choice
    ((1x(1x2))+5+25) + 20% = 38.4

    - Assembling a unit of 10 Steelhead Halberdiers, where Mercs aren't my faction of choice
    ((10x(1x1))+0) + 0% = 10

    Buying a Cygnar starter box, assuming Havoc's -10 purchasing modifier and Cygnar as faction o' choice:
    ((1x(1x-10))+(2x(3x-10))+(1x(5x-10)))-20% = 96

    Assembling same starter box:
    ((1x(1x1))+(2x(3x1))+(1x(5x1)))+20% = 14.4

    Painting same:
    (((1x(1x2))+5)+((2x(3x2))+(5x2))+((1x(5x2))+10))+2 0% = 56.4

    These may require review, but I'd certainly recommend a high purchasing modifier for now.
  10. Havoc7926's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dysartes
    So, I've spent a little time figuring out how to make this work for Warmachine & Hordes, with the following result:

    Definition
    x1 - 30mm base
    x3 - 40mm base
    x5 - 50mm base
    x? - 110mm base (not currently released, but due next year - multiplier to be reviewed once I've taken a look at them)

    Modifiers
    Warmachine/Hordes
    +3 for completing a weapon attachment or lesser warbeast
    +5 for completing a warcaster or warlock
    +5 for completing a light warjack or warbeast, or any solo, or a unit attachment
    +10 for minimum unit completed
    +10 for completing a heavy warjack/warbeast
    +15 for completing a unit with fixed unit size
    +20 for maximum unit completed
    +25 for every 20 points of a faction completed

    Notes
    - Ignore any warcaster's warjack points or warlock's warbeast points when assessing how much of a faction you've completed
    - For lesser warlocks, count them as a solo and their beast as a beast of the appropriate size (usually heavy). If a warlock comes with a beast, use the same principle
    - Darius' halfjacks count as solos, but the mine markers count as part of painting him

    Examples

    - Painting the Cygnar Squire which will take me to 61 points completed, where Cygnar is my WM faction o' choice
    ((1x(1x2))+5+25) + 20% = 38.4

    - Assembling a unit of 10 Steelhead Halberdiers, where Mercs aren't my faction of choice
    ((10x(1x1))+0) + 0% = 10

    Buying a Cygnar starter box, assuming Havoc's -10 purchasing modifier and Cygnar as faction o' choice:
    ((1x(1x-10))+(2x(3x-10))+(1x(5x-10)))-20% = 96

    Assembling same starter box:
    ((1x(1x1))+(2x(3x1))+(1x(5x1)))+20% = 14.4

    Painting same:
    (((1x(1x2))+5)+((2x(3x2))+(5x2))+((1x(5x2))+10))+2 0% = 56.4

    These may require review, but I'd certainly recommend a high purchasing modifier for now.
    Thanks for the figures. I think I'm going to be needing them very soon. Why did I decide on such a high penalty for buying stuff!